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Author Topic: Aerobatics in a 15  (Read 9093 times)

clinton

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Aerobatics in a 15
« on: 15 April 2004, 13:49 »
I just want to start a discussion, on aerobatics in the 15, what sort are people doing and how far are people pushing these gliders.
I have only attempted some stall turns.
But Im working up to a loop, maybe next time I fly her, anybody have any advice?   :laugh:

Offline Gale Winnett

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Re:Aerobatics in a 15
« Reply #1 on: 15 June 2004, 21:01 »
I attended Las Horvath's (Arizona)aerobatic school
some years ago with my ASW-15.  The 15 is a tough bird and I know that from experience!  I would strongly recommend that you DO NOT try acro without getting proper instruction and certainly wear a current parachute.  I might add, Las did a lot of competition in his own ASW-15 before he purchased a Salto.
Regards, Gale

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Re:Aerobatics in a 15
« Reply #2 on: 17 June 2004, 06:08 »
Thanks for that, I was just wondering if you could be more specific as too the types of manoveres you have performed in a 15, and of those which you found to be difficult.
I notice you say the the 15 is a tough bird, by this do you mean tough to fly or perhaps tough as in strong in the air.
Cheers

Offline Gale Winnett

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Re:Aerobatics in a 15
« Reply #3 on: 17 June 2004, 15:51 »
Hello Ron,
Sorry about the confusion on the word "tough".  In the industry, I was an aero engineer with North American Aviation for 35 years, the phrase "tough bird" meant strong, didn't break easily, and kept flying after heavy damage.  The 15 flys very easily and I can say that having flown 19 different types and 42 different sailplanes. No high performance birds I might add. The ailerons can get very stiff but there is a cure for that however.
I want to say, the only reason I took acro training was to get comfortable with any "other than normal attitude" situation that I might encounter flying the wave (rotors can be nasty) or very strong thermals sometimes found in the southwest USA.  I had no intentions or desire to become a "stunt" pilot at 63!
After completing 13 flights with Las in a Grob Twin Acro (basic course) I did inverted flight,aileron rolls,single & double,immelmans,Cuban-8s,wing overs,wing tip vertical 360s and 720s and several loops in the 15. One day I did 4 or 5 continuous loops while still at Estrella with Las observing from the ground.
None of these are that difficult,with proper instruction, and gave me knowledge and comfort as to how to handle the situation if I found myself up side down unexpectedly.  A smooth steady hand is also VERY important.  I had a g-meter on the panel and I paid attention to it! I did a few more maneuvers for the next few months after I got home and then that was the end.   I then flew the 15 mostly on the ridge in Tennessee, USA.
The 15 can do many acro maneuvers but it is NOT fully aerobatic by definition. Things not to do, a true stall turn,tail slides,snap rolls or outside loops.
I'm sorry I got a little wordy but there just was not a simple answer without cutting you off.  If you would care to have more discussion I think we ought to take it off the Forum so we don't spam the members. :-)

Regards
Gale

 

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